Conservatives worry about
effect on U.S. sovereignty
This week's Q & A is with William Buss, professor of
law at the University of Iowa.
Q: During the recently ended term of the U.S. Supreme
Court, we saw an acceleration of the use of foreign decisions
cited by the court as well as several cases dealing directly
with international law. While the references to foreign
legal practices were not binding in any of the decisions,
conservatives on the Court and in Congress worry that
such uses of foreign precedent weakens U.S. sovereignty.
In general, at what point would citing a foreign decision
in a U.S. court, especially the U.S. Supreme Court, compromise
U.S. sovereignty?
A: The easiest is to say, "at no conceivable point."
That is, I can't even imagine a point at which justices
appointed by the president and approved by the Senate
would advocate for such a position. So, we're basically
talking about a myth here.
Q: In these cases, what is the difference between
interpreting international law and citing the decisions
of foreign courts?
A: International law is part of American law.
In our constitution, we recognized that we need to be
able to enter into treaties with other countries. Those
laws are enforced in the same way as other U.S. laws;
they are laws that we are bound by. With all of the controversial
treatments of prisoners in the world, especially after
Afghanistan and after Iraq, there is no suggestion that
we aren't bound by the Geneva Convention. There might
be some question about when it applies and what it means,
but we are a nation in a world of other nations. We can
hold that the convention is part of American law and not
have any suggestion that it is inconsistent with American
sovereignty.
A different thing would be the citing or referring to
the law of the European Human Rights Court, a fairly important
court in Europe. That has been done, but not frequently,
by the Supreme Court as a way of saying, "This is what
they do, but we aren't bound by that." It's relevant in
the sense that the European court, when faced with a comparable
problem, solved it in this way. That, seems to be, to
be wholly appropriate.
Q: U.S. Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla., and Rep. Bob Goodlatte,
R-Va., have sponsored a resolution - the "Reaffirmation
of American Independence Resolution" - to affirm the sense
of the Congress that judicial decisions should not be
based on any foreign laws. Is this an overreaction to
what the Court has been doing? What would prompt this
reaction?
A: It's an absurd reaction. When people are giving
advice that you consider beyond the pale, it's hard not
to think that they are doing it purely for political reasons.
It's possible that they view this practice as being truly
inconsistent to the American Constitution, but it makes
no sense to me that they would be taking this so seriously.
One of the congressmen, in explaining the resolution,
cites the Declaration of Independence. I looked it up
again and found that, after beginning, "When in the Course
of human events," it goes on to reference "a decent respect
to the opinions of mankind." This shows that we are people
in the world. That we are an independent and sovereign
people, but we still need to talk to and listen to others
around us.
Q: In The Paquete Habana decision (1900), the U.S.
Supreme Court declared that "International law is part
of our law." How do justices draw the line between listening
to foreign ideas and obeying foreign commands?
A: Again, one has to make a distinction between
international law and the process of taking foreign laws
into account. They are two different things, but they
are both foreign in the sense that they cause us to look
beyond our own parochial border. The one incredibly complicated
decision this term, Sosa v. Alvarez-Machain, involved
the Alien Torts Act, a law enacted by the First Congress
of the U.S. The Court, in trying to figure out what the
law meant today, demonstrated that Congress understood
that the "Alien Torts Act" enforced the law of nations
as part of our common law. Constitutional law has gotten
more complicated than it was thought to be at the time
of the framers, but, Congress understood at the very beginning
that there was an international tie that couldn't be totally
cut between American law and the law of nations.
Q: Justices O'Connor, Ginsburg and Breyer have each
stressed publicly the need for the Supreme Court to consider
the deliberations of other democratic constitutional courts.
Justices Thomas and Scalia are steadfastly against any
use for foreign law. Chief Justice Rehnquist was against
it in the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas decision, but he himself
cited Dutch experience in the court's rejection of the
right to assisted suicide in 1997's Washington v. Glucksburg.
Do the Justices' opinions match their other ideological
positions? Is this just one more symptom of the recurring
5-4 decisions by the Court or is this a different type
of dividing line?
A: It's both. I don't think it's just that they
are pretending to be influenced in this fashion but really
have different reasons for disagreeing or dissenting.
But some of the Court's divisions along the 5-4 decisions
are related to this. One example would be that Scalia
and Thomas are the purists or the originalists on the
Court. That's their theoretical position, which means
that they think the Constitution means what the framers
thought it meant. They're opposed to the dominant view
that the Constitution is an organic body of laws.
It's easy to see that if a justice dealing with the question
of what the due process clause mea ns vis-à-vis the issue
of the rights of gays and lesbians, the framers couldn't
have in mind what the European Human Rights Court has
to say about the subject. In today's world, the European
Human
Rights Court has dealt with that kind of question concerning
the same sorts of factors that American courts would need
to consider. Yet Scalia would consider any such material
to be irrelevant because the framers didn't have any conception
that there would be such an organization like the European
Human Rights Court. So, it's the same as the other dividing
lines, but a little different.